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Post by Bizz on Jan 14, 2017 15:23:27 GMT -5
Alright, so, here's some explanation if anyone does come for whatever reason. Basically, similar to Fleki Sections, there will be Abigeno sections. It's basically a space to publicly post more or less official ideas or information about my conlang Abigeno. You can learn along if you want but there will be various changes made constantly and you're pretty much going to have to ask for clarification because the information I post here is not meant to be a full comprehensive guide. I usually just post enough info so if I forget something I can just look at it and let my memory do the rest of the work. Besides, why even learn Abigeno when there's this hot new language coming up anyway. Rough Abigeno alphabet/orthography/phonology: (100% consistent phonemic orthography guaranteed) // = IPA
Don't know IPA? Git gud.
A /ɑ/ Ä /æ/ B /b/ D /d/ DC /dʒ/ E /e/ F /f/ G /g/ H /h/ I /i/ J /j/ K /k/ L /l/ M /m/ N /n/ O /o/ Ö /ø/ P /p/ R /r/ S /s/ SC /ʃ/ T /t/ TC /tʃ/ U /u/ Ü /y/ V /v/ W /w/ Y /ə/ Z /z/ Zc /ʒ/
Not part of alphabet but useful in non-native sounds
GC /ɣ/ KC /x/ Planned to be used diphthongs: Eu /eu/
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Rough phonotactics: basically, native words dont end in stops and its like (C)(C)V(C) but forreign names and stuff arent restricted by this.
And all native words except for 'Abigeno' have only one syllable. Why Abigeno has four? The world may never know...
Articles: Articles such as 'a' and 'the' are nonexistent as such meaning is inferred by context.
The Cluster Design Edit: lol this is all wrong now
This one of the fundamental things you want to understand. It aint hard but important. In this language each word has a strong tendency to have multiple parts of speech and meanings within one word. To distinguish what meaning we want, we just use the appropriate suffixes. For example:
Gais N: gas Adj: gaseous
By itself, gais can mean any of those two as without marking, one will have to infer from context. Non-marking is common in typical speech, however. (and I'll get more on that later.) But with marking...
Gaise (means gas) Gaisa (means gaseous)
This can immediately be distinguished. Here are the markings so far that can do something like this:
e/se/she/yr/yn/ym/ys for nouns (Why so many? I'll explain later.) a for adjectives yv for adverbs ni for verbs
Prep. don't have any, Conj. don't either but conjunctions in this language tend to only have a conjunction meaning and then imperatives don't have any either.
And that's it I guess. Maybe if I remember something else about this thing I'll update it.
Word Stability List Sometimes, I like to monitor how stable some words are to see if I can count on them in the case that I have to give an example using the language. And, if for some reason you are interested in learning this conlang, then this will let you know what you can learn without it changing. Words don't change to often but they can constantly be unstable because they way be better ways to organize the meanings of the words. If I explained Abigeno's principles earlier then you would know what I am talking about.
6 = permanent 5 = incredibly stable, probably will never change, even through beta 4 = pretty stable but it may get a re-inspection at some point just to check if everything is okay. 3 = It's an okay kind of stable but I bet it will need changes in the future. 2 = will most likely need changes. 1 = will be changed at some point soon in a significant way. Do not attempt to learn this word.
Generalizations: All pronouns thus far (mi,tu,le,wi,vu,de) are safe with the exception of the reflexive one (sci).
Notepad entries:
Mi: (5) Pn: I, me, mine, my
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Post by Bizz on Jan 14, 2017 15:34:22 GMT -5
Rough Abigeno alphabet/orthography/phonology:
(100% consistent phonemic orthography guaranteed)
// = IPA Don't know IPA? Git gud.
A /ɑ/ AE /æ/ B /b/ D /d/ DC /dʒ/ E /e/ F /f/ G /g/ H /h/ I /i/ J /j/ K /k/ L /l/ M /m/ N /n/ O /o/ OE /ø/ P /p/ R /r/ S /s/ SC /ʃ/ T /t/ TC /tʃ/ U /u/ UE /y/ V /v/ W /w/ Y /ə/ Z /z/ Zc /ʒ/
Not part of alphabet but useful in non-native sounds GC /ɣ/ KC /x/
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Post by Bizz on Jan 14, 2017 15:50:38 GMT -5
Planned to be used diphthongs:
Ai /ɑi/ Au /ɑu/ Eu /eu/ Oi /oi/
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Post by Bizz on Jan 14, 2017 15:54:02 GMT -5
Rough phonotactics:
basically, native words dont end in stops and its like CCCVCC but forreign names and stuff arent restricted by this.
And all native words except for 'Abigeno' have only one syllable. Why Abigeno has four? The world may never know...
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Post by Bizz on Jan 14, 2017 15:55:51 GMT -5
OH shit I forgot I usually put this all in like one post with spoilers. fuck lemme fix that
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Post by Bizz on Feb 13, 2017 7:08:17 GMT -5
"So" the special relative clause marker:
To create any relative clause, you need to use "so". You first say the contents of the clause and then "so" must be (for the most part but I'll explain the exception later) at the very end of the clause. "so" then acts as an adjective in some sort of way and will only describe the noun right after it.
Ga so ja. walks that person 'Person that walks.'
(Yes I just learned interlinear glossing so bear with me if I do some things wrong/sloppily.)
A more important feature to consider is the fact that "so" can take on case endings and some part of speech endings. A more precise but sort of unnecessary in common speech way of writing the same sentence would be:
Ga sor jar. walks that.NOM person.NOM 'The person that walks.'
Another important thing to consider is that so is meant to act as a subject or object which is why it can take case endings, Check out a who/whom distinction example:
Vaun wiv sor jar. liquid.ACC want.VerbEnding who.NOM person.NOM 'The person who wants the liquid.'
Vaur wiv son jar. liquid.NOM want.VerbEnding who.ACC person.NOM 'The person whom the liquid wants.'
While the case is usually not marked in English, the case is mandatory in contexts where one must be clear. (I'll explain this better at some later date.)
And then sor/son can be translated as that/which/who/whom except that which and that now can be distinguished as a subject/object. Be wary of the use of which though. It's used for a lot of specific cases in English that it just hurts my head to think about it.
Next, let's talk about som which is "so" combined with the prepositional case marker. It's usually translated as which or who/whom as it's used when the relative clause has a preposition on it.
Nyar wev ae som plar. cat.NOM be.VerbEnding on which.PREP surface.NOM 'The surface on which the cat is.' 'The surface which the cat is on.'
Mir spiv ta som jar. I.NOM speak.VerbEnding to who.PREP person.NOM 'The person to who I speak.' 'The person who I speak to.' 'The person to whom I speak.' 'The person whom I speak to.'
While it may be tempting to put the preposition at the end (or in the case of Abigeno, at the beggining of the clause.) just like in English, you really wouldn't do that at all as it's highly recommended the preposition stays right by the thing it's describing. It would still be understandable in various cases and can even be used more poetically but prepositions in this language are heavily used and it could be confused for describing something else.
[example of adjectival prepositional phrase will be added later lol]
In general, you just want to stick to the preposition+relative clause thing.
And now to explain how to use Sos/Sosyz which is just So+genitive marker and So+genitive marker+adjective/modifier marker
[Not gonna lie, I actually created a concept that I don't even understand by accident so I'll explain how sos is used later.]
Sosyz is basically whose in English and has a weird property. Typically, it's the word "so" that describes the noun right after it. However, if sosyz is used on another noun, then the noun it's affecting will describe the noun after it.
Mir bovdoev sosyz nyan jar. I.NOM die.CausativeMarker.VerbEnding whose.AdjectiveMarker cat.ACC person.NOM 'The person whose cat I killed.'
You can even add prepositions in the mix.
Mir wev ni sosyz hem jar. I.NOM be.VerbEnding in whose.AdjectiveMarker house.PREP person.NOM 'The person in whose house I am.' 'The person whose house I am in.'
And then one last variant that I'm not really sure if I should make a thing but oh well, I usually post what I'm thinking about doing on here anyway so here goes:
"sol" or basically so+pertaining to clauses marker
It functions as the which that's used in turning an entire clause into a subject/object. An English example would be:
"The cake was burnt, which made me angry."
Basically sol = that variation/use of which. And then if that sol is meant to be a subject/object just turn it into solyr (subject) or solyn (object) respectively. Now personally, I feel there's a better way to do this but eh, I've already done a ton of work improving the use and efficiency of this word (before, so was only useful for that/who/which clauses.) so I'll finish the other parts later.
Next, I'll explain a way how to re-create the indefinite relative clause pronoun "what" as in "We heard what they said." Abigeno basically would just say "the thing that" as a substitute.
so(r/n) ti()
And that's it really.
And then, here's relative adverbs (http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/relative_adverbs.htm)
I know where you live. I know the reason why they did it. I know when it happened. I know how you did it.
These are easily recreate-able by using prepositional relative clauses.
I know (in) which place you live in. I know (for) which reason they did it for. I know (at) which time it happened at. I know (in) which manner you did it in.
And now that we changed the sentences in a form that Abigeno can process, we can proceed translating.
[Uh, translation later... maybe.]
Next I'd like to touch on participles. In short, "so" is also used to make active participles.
[no examples today]
Participles made in this way function adjectivally. However, you can also make adverbial participles.
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Post by Bizz on Feb 25, 2017 8:38:27 GMT -5
Random tidbit that shows how much the language has changed since first ever design:
Here is an excerpt from my notepad that was written down long ago:
Here is a version that reflects today's design:
I only did because I actually went to the top of my notepad of notes and found this old unchanged relic and found it pretty amusing how much things have changed. Given how refined the relative clause system is now, I doubt that will change very much now but you never know...
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Post by Bizz on Mar 18, 2017 1:27:31 GMT -5
Random Geometry terms test:
point = pung
line = ling line (extends forever) = ku nez pim ling, nepiling ray = ku waz pim ling, wapiling line segment = ku pim ling collinear = ae swaz lim
plane = plang coplanar = ae swaz plam
shape = scpäng
equilateral = swa+sto+length equiangular = swa+ka+measurement regular =
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Post by Bizz on Mar 22, 2017 4:35:13 GMT -5
"It's not normal but regardless, it's a common occurrence."
Common here can be used to mean "which happens many times/often/etc."
Be aware of this distinction.
Common = Metezc jev, Jev ae mez tem
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Post by Bizz on Mar 22, 2017 22:24:58 GMT -5
Random highly agglutinative Abigeno word:
Bovzovtcutetroski bov+zov+tcu+te+tro+ski causative+passivizer+other+time+fact+know to cause sth to be known as fact/true at another time
Bovzovtcutetrosking N: reaffirmation
Bovzovtcutetroskiv V: to reaffirm
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Post by Bizz on Apr 28, 2017 1:22:25 GMT -5
New Big Recent Changes:
Word order is now less flexible, verbs are forced to be at the very end of the sentence no matter what. Due to verbs being forced at the end of the sentence, verbs now automatically define clause boundaries. This new order implies that the end of the sentence is a verb and the beginning is not a verb.
This is also used to help solve the "so" clause issue where the word "so" would infinitely take in elements that could potentially not be in its clause.
This also has led to a new system of verb nominalization:
Using -yv and then -yng/yr/yn/ym on the word nominalizes the verb
Döv = to die Dövyng = act of dying, dying
This can correspond to the English -ing form for gerunds but more specially doing this refers to one instance of doing an action. Verb nominalizations can be viewed as countable and non-countable in Abigeno.
Waz dövyng (one act of dying) Mez dövyng (many acts of dying) Dövynggrung (Dying (in an uncountable sense)
If their are any elements behind a nominalized verb, they will take it with them. In a sense, the entire clause can be turned into a noun.
Man nauvyng (Needing food, Food needing, act of needing food, act of food needing) Vaur gavyng (Liquid running, act of liquid running)
This should be distinguished from relative clauses
gav sor vaung = Liquid that runs/moving, Running/moving liquid Vaur gavying = Liquid running/moving, act of
It's basically the difference between
Horse riding (An action) Horse riding man, man who rides horses (Modifier)
When using nominalized verbs in normal sentences, you may need to move it around in order to prevent unintended meaning. They follow the rules where verbs define clauses.
Mir dün bovdövyn nezc wiv Lit. I animal killing not want English: I do not want any animal killing
You may intend to mean the English sentence but actually, you end up saying this
English: Me killing animals is not wanted. My act of killing animals is not wanted
Pretty funny how it's practically reversed eh? Anyway, this happens because the Abigeno speaker interpreted the "mir" part to be within the clause with bovdövyn, a nominalized verb. To avoid this and get the intended meaning, you just take advantage of the case marking system.
Dün bovdövyn mir nezc wiv Lit. animal killing I not want English: I do not want any animal killing
Again, notice how verbs end clauses and end up severing and contains their respective components.
(Dün bovdövyn) (mir nezc wiv)
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