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Post by polar principle on Sept 4, 2018 17:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by Bizz on Sept 4, 2018 18:34:45 GMT -5
Oh god are we talking about those surprise egg videos? Anyways, I like this god guy's approach.
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So I subbed to him and Youtube recommended me kid channels? Wth? Why is this channel connected with that stuff?
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Post by polar principle on Sept 4, 2018 21:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by polar principle on Sept 4, 2018 21:10:59 GMT -5
On an unrelated note I did interact with some children who often watched this genre of video. They seemed to harbor a deep restlessness and aggressiveness, different from other children, which I am quite certain was influenced by these videos. Nearly always they were either doing something insane or sleeping, and they would always try to attack things, kick and punch things, etc.
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Post by Bizz on Sept 4, 2018 21:45:22 GMT -5
On an unrelated note I did interact with some children who often watched this genre of video. They seemed to harbor a deep restlessness and aggressiveness, different from other children, which I am quite certain was influenced by these videos. Nearly always they were either doing something insane or sleeping, and they would always try to attack things, kick and punch things, etc.
The heck? When did you get to meet these kids in real life?
Either way, wow, I've heard about these kinds of videos being manipulative but I never encountered that it had a genuine negative effect. Not to say I wasn't aware that it would fuck children up, it's just more surprising that it actually happened. Most videos I find are pretty vapid and innocuous so this is pretty interesting to say the least.
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Post by polar principle on Sept 5, 2018 1:08:19 GMT -5
Well the trick is that they are vapid and innocuous to the minds of adults, however children do not perceive the world as adults do. Yet unfortunately, parents tend to assume that children think and perceive in the same way that they do, and so the perceptions picked up by children translate into behaviors that appear frustrating or nonsensical to the parent, but which have clear explanations when it is taken into account what exactly the child is perceiving, and how they are interpreting this and translating it into behavior.
For example, children tend to perceive everything with an extreme seriousness -- they make little distinction between the serious and the not-serious, which usually requires understanding of complex social cues (the classic example i suppose, is that they can't tell the difference between a TV show and an advertisement). For a child, the entire world is imbued with a sort of magical quality -- an unfathomable complexity, within which there is much mystery. A cute character may seem mundane or benign to adults, but a child might look at them as upon a god or a gatekeeper to some hidden realm -- the artifices through which society regulates perception are not yet understood.
Herein lies the crux of the hypnotic state induced through videos such as this. It is not watching one video once that produces the change in behavior, but once the hypnotic, fixated, glazed-eyes state is invoked once it becomes addictive, and it is within this state of watching these videos for many hours that the mind is molded. Parents, unfortunately, assume that the child somehow subconsciously understands how they are meant to perceive things. In these children that I cared for for a while, some behaviors were so exaggerated they were almost cartoonish, it was obvious they were imitating actions they had seen on youtube. The best metaphor I can give is triggered demonic possession, because they are very sweet children, often you tell them to do something and they say "ok x, i am going to do such and such" -- then, it is as though at a certain moment a program toggles or triggers in them, and they go into a frenzy, doing the exact opposite of what they said so earnestly earlier and just running and flailing around everywhere and erupting into fits, in a state I could describe as manic mindless giddy crazy joy and aggressive hyperactivity, nothing is off limits for what can happen here, and often do I see almost entirely cold-blooded violence. After this, if it ever ends, always comes immense tiredness and sleepiness, it is as though every ounce of energy is drained. You feel bad for them at that point because it really doesn't feel like they are the ones doing this, it feels as though it is someone or something else inside of them. Speaking to them while they are manic sort of reveals this, they can't explain what they are doing or why they are doing it half the time, the body is moving on its own.
The first thing I would do in this case is destroy every single ipad in the house, but I'm not the parents so I can't do this, though I have seen how much time they spend watching such videos. Yes, perhaps I am over-reacting, yet it is clear I did not ever act like this, nor do I know any other children who act in such a way.
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Post by Bizz on Sept 5, 2018 3:22:39 GMT -5
Ah, I see now.
"children tend to perceive everything with an extreme seriousness -- they make little distinction between the serious and the not-serious"
Sort of off topic but this reminds me of Chris Chan in some ways actually. Even at an older age, he genuinely believed in his cartoon characters existing and the stuff that happens on tv. He even gave a certain bear a god-like status. Of course that wasn't the full picture as to why he went so insane but it's an interesting slice of his psyche to consider.
This is probably a wild connection but I wonder if that's basically the same effect but with a more developed mind. As in, believing in irreality and its negative effects manifesting into one's behavior preventing them from proper socialization.
Also to add to your anecdote, I too never acted this way. Notably, I did not access the Internet prominently until I was 14/15 years old. Glad that it took that long.
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Post by polar principle on Sept 6, 2018 13:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes sense. The development of balloon/inflation etc fetishes are another example of those special perceptions which occur in childhood, maybe resonating with us in an archetypal way, and are latched onto (maybe due to castration anxiety, or other anxiety) and amplified, and the sexual impulse is transmuted into this form when puberty occurs. And in adulthood often the things that "click" with us are things similar to that which we experienced in childhood.
For example, I have memories of watching Teletubbies a long time ago, just vague memories of magical creatures prancing around, wondering what they were and what they meant. Re-watching the show I sort of remember a couple things I remember perceiving, and it's funny to compare my memory of it to seeing the thing itself now. So I recommend re-watching anything that you watched in childhood, the earlier the better, and seeing if you can figure out how this influenced you.
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