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Post by Bizz on Nov 7, 2017 7:14:43 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/7bcokq/745th_just_used_5_minutes_of_your_day/
Nitsusur plul lez godöm pel betsagom kufazh niv nelutezh shatav.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 7, 2017 20:55:18 GMT -5
Welp, it seems I theoretically found a more efficient system when it comes with syllable count. I wouldn't say syllable stuff has been too much of an issue but some words when converted from their original source are crazy long as some words are forcibly stuck like that because other combinations are taken and/or their semantics won't allow simplification.
I always like to think smaller is better because if the language wants to be "purist" or create/derive new concepts by reusing everything that's in it, then the bases for creation should be as short as can be to prevent unspeakable abominations.
Honorable Abominations go to: Kitsajejaspoti (Scarecrow) Choshöjagoje (politics) Sugonidecho (marriage, to marry) Lachobekögwo (Luxembourg) Pluskisafaja (care-taker, baby-sitter) Pamakinago (park)
Unfortunately, the changes I need to make will completely change the phonetics and the phonetic systems. All those 24+ hours of work will need to be redone since I have to go through every word again. Ugh.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 8, 2017 14:21:03 GMT -5
Joting down the general plan:
Base words will basically be
C(no glottal stop)V(specifically y as the vowel representing schwa)(C)(C)(final consonants must be a stop)
The system will use the core vowel to change parts of speech in various ways:
Y = meaning nothing, used to represent what the word could potentially be or be used in a base word combination I = noun+nominative case OI = noun+accusative case AI = noun+prepositional case A = adjectival/possessive U = verb E = adverb
And then making prepositions/conjunctions are a prefix:
-(y)l = prep -O = conjunction
Example:
Nyt = base word for negation, denial, etc. Nit = denial (as a subject) Noit = denial (as an object.) Nait = denial (in a prepositional phrase) Nat = no (determiner, not the interjection) Nut = to deny, to reject, to negate Net = not (for negation) Nyto = or
The ending stops will soften to their fricative counterparts every time when another stop is to be pronounced next:
P > F B > V T > S D > Z CH > SH J > ZH K > X G > GH
Example:
English: no denial Ebileno: Nas nit
The softening is mainly to make things flow better. I will not allow consonants to be glottalized like they are in English so they must be fully pronounced at all times.
This new system permits more unique one syllable combinations than the previous one and also makes it easier to just make a one syllable word. It's actually not too different from what I can just do now but the thing is I don't want to make words for very random things that won't really be that helpful for making more words in the long run. I feel like this system helps me justify decisions like that better and helps me retain the original semantics a bit more. Of course I could be overthinking things.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 9, 2017 3:12:16 GMT -5
Actually now that I think about it, this system actually isn't that much more efficient, Ebileno still has tons of syllable combinations that it could use if even at times weird or awkward sounding:
ska, sko, sku, skö shta, shte, shti, etc... shk... shm... shn... kfe, kfi, kfo, kfu, kfö ksa, kso, ksu ji wu sra, sre, sri, sro, sru, srö nra, nre, nri, etc... mla, mle, mli, etc... gza, gze, gzi, gzö bla, bli, blo, blu, blö tla, tle, tli, tlo, tlu, tlö
And it's not like I'm going to need many more base words.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 9, 2017 3:20:44 GMT -5
So where does the name Ebileno come from?
Basically, it's a variation of the name Abigeno with the A and G replaced to reference Ebileno's huge inspiration and semantic makeup being Earth Language. Abigeno is just a previous conlang as its name was made up soley because I liked how it sounded and specifically made it have a 1 consonant then 1 vowel style so that it flows nicely. I also specifically used multiple vowels and only voiced consonants. I also have a theory that I subconsciously put those specific sounds together from a variation of Ubigeno, which is a language not related to Abigeno.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 11, 2017 16:47:12 GMT -5
Onomatopoeia in Ebileno are not considered base words and are really just recognized as using the orthography freely in order to represent a sound phonetics as opposed to semantics. Since Onomatopoeia can not be base words, this means there is no designated way to describe sounds like "ha ha ha" or "bark", "meow" etc. Sounds like these can be represented in any way you like via pure phonetics. Yes, this means that writing [miau] in Ebileno (pronounced pretty much like English meow) can be used to represent laughter, dog noises, and cat noises. Anything can represent anything. Meaning is generally inferred from context.
[] brackets are typically used to represent anything that is meant to be understood as just phonetic and not semantic information. It's not only used for sound effects but even names too (which is sort of contradicting because names have semantics but... eh.) This isn't mandatory but sometimes it may need to be due to ambiguity issues typically if it looks and/or sounds like an existing word. Don't get me started on the word "Nacho" in Ebileno.
Okay, so you're probably wondering, how the do you express onomatopoeia without this context-sensitivity then? It depends on the sound and how it's being done. Ebileno does not have a formal interjection category so if you want to express what interjections normally express, then you need to use a noun, adjective, or verb depending on the case. For example:
English Meow... Ebileno *Dcedösaun*
Here, Ebileno literally is saying *cat sound* Regardless of what was shown, the Ebileno speaker would try to imitate what a cat would sound like and then if there is any ambiguity, you would state that *Dcedösaun* is basically what your imitation was. Using just *Dcedösaun* is also good if you want to be neutral and/or are writing without sound. It's up to you.
English: Whoa... Ebileno: Mesan. or (Min) mesav
Mesan just means "surprise" as a noun. Ebileno tends to pro-drop or have implied "there is/that is/this is" on nouns. Here, "mesan" can be interpreted as "there is surprise" or "(I have) surprise"
(Min) mesav just means "surprise/surprised (me)" Basically verb tense can be anything unless a time adverb or temporal verbs are used to specify. We can assume this is past tense from context, as in, something surprising happened so the speaker was like "(that) surprised (me)!". And then "min" in () just means that it's optional and it depends on how much context you have to clarify things.
Similarly, Something like (Mir) mesan (juv) can also work.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 11, 2017 17:25:07 GMT -5
Alright, despite this topic being a bit of jot-down mess, I'll still put various resources or global information in the first post such as access to dictionaries and etc.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 11, 2017 17:38:54 GMT -5
Dictionary released in the first post.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 11, 2017 19:36:26 GMT -5
Kfa has been changed to kja. Mainly because I didn't like pronouncing it. I dunno, I sort of tripped up on it quite a bit. A more flowy kja should be nice.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 11, 2017 20:07:21 GMT -5
Fun Fact:
The words for directions in Ebileno when read in order would suggest a counter-clockwise motion. I didn't intend this btw.
Ex. Hi (left), Lo (down), Ra (right), Vu (up)
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Post by Bizz on Nov 12, 2017 10:17:00 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/7ce3pk/748th_just_used_5_minutes_of_your_day/
Nil Mordorym dazh nezh labizh shatav.
Notes: -Got rid of the pronoun to create an "impersonal" vibe that doesn't target any particular pronoun/person. Of course, this sentence can be considered ambiguous in various cases. You'd add something like tsuskijar or etc. if you really wanted to fix any ambiguity but I think it's fine.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 13, 2017 18:06:09 GMT -5
Once, some guy (Exkekx) was like so are you going to make a writing system like Earth Language? And I responded no at the time and that answer is still sort of true as Ebileno's official writing system uses Latinscript. However, out of interest I decided to make an alternate writing system anyway which I like to call Wöpaz Ebilenor or Ebileno Casual in English. The system is logographic with each character representing a word but can be used as an alphabet when the phonetic brackets are used. It's designed to not need to use fullwidth or halfwidth spaces. Each character only uses a maximum of 6 strokes. It isn't in font form mainly because I'm in no rush to make a font now but I have the characters for it which can be seen via this link to a zip file that contains all the glyphs. Link: www.mediafire.com/file/zzci72lj67276x8/Logo2.zipAlso, feel free to make your own Ebileno font or writing system variations or even make suggestions.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 13, 2017 22:39:03 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/7cq67s/challenge_describe_this_cursed_image_i/
Ebileno Response Tsukuz sor fujon klekuv jar.
English Translation: A weird person that's wearing a box.
Literal: Weird that box wears person.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 14, 2017 12:44:11 GMT -5
So what kind of language is Ebileno?After doing some research as to how the terminology for conlangs work, basically it's an a priori with a schematic-like grammar. Despite the base words originating from various languages/influences, those languages/influences were only selected so that it was easier to memorize the words as they don't actually hold the same semantic meaning from the original languages/influences and could have been replaced with anything. For example, despite Gu (previously known as gwo) being used to indicate countries, it's also used to create the word Africa which isn't a country at all. Despite Wo being based off the English word "work" it's also used to indicate function, machines, automated things, etc. In a nutshell, the real semantics behind these words are actually highly based off of Earth Language, the conlang. This is off topic but I would like to express how much I dislike the terms "a priori" and "a postpriori" They are so unintuitive and unself-explanatory. You'll probably find me just saying "not at all/not really based off of natural languages" and "based off of/imitating/controlling natural languages" if I do not care for formalities in that current moment.
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Post by Bizz on Nov 14, 2017 16:45:17 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/7cypks/challenge_translate_the_shahada/
Eng: There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Ebi: Nez trower wev geo Ksesetrower wabauzh. [Muhammad] Ksesetrowez skopejan wev.
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