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Post by Bizz on Mar 28, 2019 5:19:09 GMT -5
Well, I knew this was going to happen again. I usually don't like disappointing others (I've talked about Kisska with other people too) and I thought I could pull through, but honestly it's best that I cease working on Kisska for a good while. Maybe at least the "active" development part of it.
I won't go into detail but recent events have definitely been fucking with my psyche. Kisska isn't the main cause obviously but engaging in it feels like I'm stabbing myself sometimes. Not to mention, my motivation for it is a bit low.
The concept of Kisska just feels pointless given that it's highly based around this fixated idea of systematizing semantics and abstraction itself. Pretending as if there's some objective way to organize and divide concepts in existence when there really isn't essentially. I mean, there's definitely patterns but obviously I didn't want to design Kisska to be a semantic-metalanguage kind of thing. If there isn't a true way to do things, then why even work on Kisska? What's the point then?
I at least like the RAW idea because it's actually based off of science and research which does indeed prove there are consistent and objective sound-visual or sound-meaning relationships as meaningful. The Bouba/kiki effect is definitely amazing proof of that.
So, I'll update the dictionary and some hours later finish the grammar section. I'll still probably add your words though but be aware that I'm basically going to make you responsible for any of the internal semantic relationships you end up modifying. In some ways though, I think it's for the best that that happens. I would rather have the words rounded out than it being limited to one "zeitgeist" anyway. Who knows, maybe I'll still toss some words into the pile.
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Post by Bizz on Mar 28, 2019 5:23:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah btw, Here's the sheet for writing in Kisska.
Eventually I'll add a part 2. Conscripting is always a beautiful art piece to work on.
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Post by polar principle on Mar 28, 2019 11:08:38 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, honestly. There is a worldview hidden in every organization, and after the novelty of the concept wears away, it boils down to a game of arrangement and rearrangement -- which there are many ways to play, depending on how one interprets the world -- or how one wishes the users to interpret the world. Lack of direction, I guess. I think we've fleshed-out these languages to a great enough extent, there's no shame in stopping and considering something else.
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Post by Bizz on Apr 23, 2019 1:19:36 GMT -5
"If there isn't a true way to do things, then why even work on Kisska? What's the point then?" If anything, that's also a reason to work on Kisska. If there isn't a true way to do things, then why bothering caring about what you're doing is totally correct? Why not just, do it? At this point Kisska can be just be considered an Artlang which loosely follows systematization principles "So, I'll update the dictionary and some hours later finish the grammar section." And I have. We are now in Kisska Beta. After 9 months and 2 days, we are here.
/watch?v=YBs5aFiE_sY
+ So, I finished up adding base words. Base words still can be added but I highly doubt it'll be that necessary. It'll be much better to focus on what's there. And if it comes to it, Kisska is always allowed to borrow foreign words. I also spent time euphonizing Kisska. Basically the allophonic environments have a bit more rules mainly centered around voicing assimilation. Also various words have been shortened. Kisska looks pretty different now so yeah, text is outdated. Adj base words or base words with adjective definitions have been converted into nouns. This is mainly because I find adjective+noun combinations to be ambiguous with adjective noun combinations. It's not impossible to make adjective+noun words but rather the system prefers that you use noun+noun because it's shorter and noun+noun indicates a transformative concept while adjectives are meant for referring to a peculiar version/type of an instance. This isn't really that big a change as most words are unaltered since nouns can be used as noun adjuncts. Rather, the part of speech of base words are smoothed out. This also affects the words kos/yen and me(previously mar)/mas function. Basically forming causatives/passives are ambiguously referring to noun/noun deviated as adjective definitions. Me and Mas go after words now to form comparatives and superlatives. Same deal for Ler/Les. Eventually I'll make and post the "Functions Sheet" Basically it's a sheet that describes how words are used and what you should generally use words for and their associations.
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Post by Bizz on Apr 23, 2019 1:23:22 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Kisska is still in Beta so some small changes may be done still. I'll for once actually post change logs so all text can be updated accordingly. Grammar is very very stable though.
Also I'm a bit tired so I'll fix the other stuff maybe somewhere in May lol.
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Post by polar principle on Apr 23, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -5
Death the villain, enemy of pity, ancient mother of sorrows, justice incontestable and grave, since you have given matter for the grieving heart because of which I go pensive, my tongue will weary blaming you. Dit, wasbessan, getsan di doses deckutya nimdai di sesi, lagkin neyepakiya na med, fedas du bogebas pagpau te saimsesa blusuo fe das mi caibausyenas mi tuk metsaimam inwasa ta du. villain - wesbessan unstoppable, unendable - neyepakiya unopposable, incontendable - negetkiya
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Post by Bizz on May 1, 2019 13:43:12 GMT -5
Update:
Word Change (Euphonization) Kuem > Kue Sut > Su Hik > Him Loic > Loi Fuit > Faus
Also now, the euphonization process is done. While Kisska does have some unpleasant combinations at times I feel I've reduced it significantly. And besides I still have some backup allophones if it turns out stuff is still wack but I highly doubt it'll be necessary. Besides I'd rather not complicate it any more.
Also the perfect aspect is now formed by the particle bu. Sorry, it just seemed weird and admittedly bo- was a rushed decision.
The "Deviation List" will be coming out soon. If I work everyday for an hour, it may take a week I think.
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Post by Bizz on May 1, 2019 13:44:28 GMT -5
Also can you explain "wesbessan"? How is wes being used here or what's the metaphorical usage. "Earth leader" sounds fairly generic to have it mean villain.
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Post by polar principle on May 1, 2019 16:45:00 GMT -5
Should have been "wasbessan".
wasbessan = villain gebessan = antagonist medwas / kin = evil, abominable tanwas / kin = evil, fiendish, wicked
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Post by Bizz on May 1, 2019 19:18:45 GMT -5
Should have been "wasbessan". wasbessan = villain gebessan = antagonist medwas / kin = evil, abominable tanwas / kin = evil, fiendish, wicked
Ah, that makes more sense. Good on ya.
I like that bessan now can be vaguely used to represent such concepts in this category.
Thus Gubessan = hero, and tanbessan (tan = direct, as in, the protagonist leads/directs the story) = Protagonist
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Post by polar principle on May 1, 2019 20:39:28 GMT -5
nature quotes 1 The chessboard is the world; the pieces are the phenomena of the universe; the rules of the game are what we call the laws of Nature. The player on the other side is hidden from us. We know that his play is always fair, just, and patient. But also we know, to our cost, that he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance.Kibmecsag seas sego; kibmecsini seas skesaki di tocseku; maitiki di spi sea wasak ismi namas maitiki di Nau. Spiasan tusan an him fesgo sea kabya fen ismi. Ismi rokisas das u spipu sea altemya maikinya, lagkinya, na saubwisya. Gia naya ismi rokisas, tan ismi ausmon, das u netem neroas wasgan, o kenkosa tan lamas nerokiskin. maitik = rule spipu = N: a play, or a turn of a game lagkin = justice lagkinya = just wasgan = mistake (compare wasto, wrongdoing... i take a movement to be more impartial than an action) 2 Human subtlety will never devise an invention more beautiful, more simple, or more direct than does Nature, because in her inventions nothing is lacking, and nothing is superfluous.San lekyakin netem kiscinam ginmau me bloya, me lebonya, o me tanya uba wasak toa Nau, fedas in u ginmauni nesak sea neyasa, na nesak sea nenosya. lekyakin = fineness, subtlety (inspiration: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C ) to devise = kiscina (compare snecin, sinkis)
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Post by polar principle on May 9, 2019 1:01:01 GMT -5
The specialized sciences of our times are concentrating on the study of the three constants of life: sexual instinct, the sentiment of death, and the anguish of space-time.Pagkudya cafi di nistemi kona rotanas ta fenlesas di tsi konkuni di lep: cusya nauwis, mespu di dit, na seses di rom-tem. pagkudya = specialized fenlesas = study letlesas = investigation konku = N: constant mespu = sentiment
(This quote reminds me of meme culture, lol.)
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Post by Bizz on May 9, 2019 18:54:48 GMT -5
Cool, I'll add these with the appropriate adjustments.
I'm also glad you picked up on how the thinness word worked as I was planning to use it to refer to "fineness". Basically thinness can be used to refer to doing something for a very small period of time (ex. peeping), with precision/dexterity, or that it's "fine" in some way. The word thick is the opposite obviously as it is coarse.
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Post by Bizz on Dec 19, 2019 5:32:22 GMT -5
One more update.
Kisska as we know it is officially over.
At some point, a few months in the future or so, I will post the new and final draft/design on another site and I would rather have things be ready rather than sitting in beta forever.
It took me a long and ridiculous time but I finally was able to reason myself to admit to a design or a goal which would be futile. And besides, in a way, my goal has already been completed in the form of Ithkuil and the similarities and preferences within the collective consciousness of various people across the domain I reside in.
There is no true path and not in a way which recognizes it on the motivation level but moreso in the way that recognizes it on a more existential level. Things don't have to be the way they are. It is possible to exist without a problem that didn't have to be made when you stop making it a problem.
This is not a moment of sadness but of elation. A sort of merry freedom and a realization which leads to the appreciation of the human mind and the modes of existences which can be reached whether perceptibly organized or not.
And even more ironically, I had inadvertently finished my goal without even realizing it. The suds of ideas brewing, concatenating, and eventually finally reaching its maximal optimal peak in design. Truly the most comprehensive grammatical reflection of my preferences, my influences, my conlanging journey, and my reality organically formed hiding in plain sight being just one notepad file away. This is what that final draft truly is all along.
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Post by polar principle on Dec 20, 2019 8:29:49 GMT -5
i try to do this as well sometimes, i think it comes naturally with time, which creates distance as one ages and moves through different immersions. i also love how meta your view of this has become, it's incredibly touching - thank you for allowing me to peer into your soul through such a medium.
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